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Copy from MC to Explorer
Mathias (Author):
--- Quote from: Suncatcher on January 06, 2017, 17:01:39 ---
--- Quote ---I dont know why you get the MC Copy dialog when you drag a file from MC to Explorer because the program where you drop will do the copy so you should see the Windows Copy Dialog if you drop the file in Explorer.
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You misunderstood me, I stated exactly as you did:
D'n'D MC -> Explorer = Windows Copy Dialog
D'n'D Explorer-> MC = MC Dialog
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Ah okey that good. So it is when you drag from MC to explorer. so then the question still is if there is something special with this copy operation.
Like virtual filesystems involved or other things. Like dropping file inside a Zip in Explorer. or if the file that was drag was located inside a zip or other special locations. Anyway Explorer keeps a hold on drop process until it is done. Often it releases when you press retry in that dialog that are shown.
But MC can't do anything until the program that have takes the drop releases it.
--- Quote from: Suncatcher on January 06, 2017, 17:01:39 ---
--- Quote ---But normally Explorer will not do this.
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Does it mean that MC never knows when request is completed?
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Not exactly. It all depends on what the program that handles the drop does. and what kind of drop it does.
But if that program accepts the drop but then never releases it. then MC will wait, and wait.
And also some program accept only different kinds of drop actions. very very long story.. DnD is a mess
The problem is that drag and drop between program is actually a very bad way of copying files.
Because a lot of stuff can interface with it and there is less control over the copy process.
For example MC do not have any idea what happen when a drop is happening outside of MC, if the copy is inside MC you can use filters and plugins , queues and other things,
Turpal:
--- Quote ---So it is when you drag from MC to explorer. so then the question still is if there is something special with this copy operation.
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Nothing special. It happens both when I copy to connected network drives and local too.
--- Quote ---Not exactly. It all depends on what the program that handles the drop does. and what kind of drop it does.
But if that program accepts the drop but then never releases it. then MC will wait, and wait.
And also some program accept only different kinds of drop actions. very very long story.. DnD is a mess
The problem is that drag and drop between program is actually a very bad way of copying files.
Because a lot of stuff can interface with it and there is less control over the copy process.
For example MC do not have any idea what happen when a drop is happening outside of MC, if the copy is inside MC you can use filters and plugins , queues and other things,
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Okay, got it. Will do this via Copy-Paste.
Mathias (Author):
--- Quote from: Suncatcher on January 06, 2017, 17:38:51 ---
--- Quote ---So it is when you drag from MC to explorer. so then the question still is if there is something special with this copy operation.
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Nothing special. It happens both when I copy to connected network drives and local too.
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Ok so only normal locations. That is strange. But it can be AV software or similar that causing it. Something prevents the drop action from being released in explorer.
--- Quote from: Suncatcher on January 06, 2017, 17:38:51 ---
--- Quote ---Not exactly. It all depends on what the program that handles the drop does. and what kind of drop it does.
But if that program accepts the drop but then never releases it. then MC will wait, and wait.
And also some program accept only different kinds of drop actions. very very long story.. DnD is a mess
The problem is that drag and drop between program is actually a very bad way of copying files.
Because a lot of stuff can interface with it and there is less control over the copy process.
For example MC do not have any idea what happen when a drop is happening outside of MC, if the copy is inside MC you can use filters and plugins , queues and other things,
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Okay, got it. Will do this via Copy-Paste.
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Actually Copy/Paste is not much better :) there are lots of issues with that too :)
But for copy to between normal drive both DnD and CopyPaste should normally work. it is in special situation where you have the issues.
But you can also just stay inside MC, and skip Windows explorer completely. The active panel is the default source and other panel is the default target
So lets say the in the right panel you browse to the location where you want to copy to.. (the target location)
and in the left panel you find the file you want to copy and select them then press F2/F5 (depending on setup or press copy toolbar icon)
then it will copy the select files and the target location will be set to the location of the "other" panel (the right one if the active focus was in the left when you started the copy)
then you just confirm and it copies.. and then you can also use special features in MC for the copy as filters and plugins to queues.
Or you can just drag and drop from one panel to the other. but then you have to reach for the mouse.
Turpal:
--- Quote ---But you can also just stay inside MC, and skip Windows explorer completely. The active panel is the default source and other panel is the default target
So lets say the in the right panel you browse to the location where you want to copy to.. (the target location)
and in the left panel you find the file you want to copy and select them then press F2/F5 (depending on setup or press copy toolbar icon)
then it will copy the select files and the target location will be set to the location of the "other" panel (the right one if the active focus was in the left when you started the copy)
then you just confirm and it copies.. and then you can also use special features in MC for the copy as filters and plugins to queues.
Or you can just drag and drop from one panel to the other. but then you have to reach for the mouse.
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The reason I cannot abandon Explorer completely is the inability of MC to handle Windows system folders, or folders which are not owned by me. What I mean: when I try to access folder inside Windows or System32 or whatsoever even safer, I cannot process my action further. MC simply drops any activity into nowhere, with no interaction with user. Only through intensive brainstorm I should guess that this issue is connected with permissions which MC cannot defeat.
With Explorer I am happily able to overcome this limitation with this prompt
But this is another story which requires separate thread...
Mathias (Author):
MC has not issue with modifying files in the Windows System folders in general. However most of the system folders do require admin permissions.
and MC normally can start a helper process run as admin even if MC is not, and most actions can be relayed via that.
But depending on what is done, it sometimes works better if the entire MC process is run with full permissions
So either start it as admin by right clicking on shortcut, or you can start a new instance from MC from Menu > File > Multi Command (As Admin)
and you get a process that have full admin permissions
However some AV and/or SecuritySoftware sometimes prevent 3rd party tools to access/modify the system folders.
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