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nietrupek

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Huge fonts since last update
« on: November 29, 2020, 02:21:22 »
After last update user interface of MC changed. Fonts used in command area, free disk space area and list of default locations became very large. Some icons were pushed out of view because of this.

Is there any config option to *turn off* font sizing according to DPI detected?

If not, how can I reinstall previous version of MC without losing configuration?

Thanx, JK

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2020, 02:55:52 »
Odd fonts, indeed. Sometimes the fonts in my tabs change to a tiny size, as well.

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2020, 07:58:03 »
After last update user interface of MC changed. Fonts used in command area, free disk space area and list of default locations became very large. Some icons were pushed out of view because of this.

Is there any config option to *turn off* font sizing according to DPI detected?

If not, how can I reinstall previous version of MC without losing configuration?

Thanx, JK
freespace area will autoscale font according to scaling settings in Windows. So just make this font smaller in Explorer Panel settings

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2020, 08:10:29 »
Odd fonts, indeed. Sometimes the fonts in my tabs change to a tiny size, as well.
Have not seen any case where they are changed.
Nothing is changed around the tabs.

Have somethings changed in Windows when it happens. Have screen res  / DPI changed in Windows will app was running ? or something similar ?

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2020, 14:02:07 »
After last update user interface of MC changed. Fonts used in command area, free disk space area and list of default locations became very large. Some icons were pushed out of view because of this.

Is there any config option to *turn off* font sizing according to DPI detected?

If not, how can I reinstall previous version of MC without losing configuration?

Thanx, JK
freespace area will autoscale font according to scaling settings in Windows. So just make this font smaller in Explorer Panel settings

The scaling is at 100%, no change at all. But the font is huge now in a lot of places.

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2020, 15:20:09 »
Not man places. A very few places the size are larger for more visibility.  or because it is now using DPI scaling and makes sure the font is scaled.
In that dialog the target location is the most important information, so that is a bit larger.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2020, 15:23:05 by Mathias (Author) »

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2020, 21:22:50 »

freespace area will autoscale font according to scaling settings in Windows. So just make this font smaller in Explorer Panel settings

I have done it before asking here (see attached image area [4]).
Font are larger than before in areas marked [1,2,3].
BTW, the rightmost icon in area [3] after last update was pushed out of view. I had to enlarge MC window to see it again.

I have scaling set to 150% (screen size 15.6'', resolution 1920x1080 if that matters).

JK



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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2020, 22:02:29 »

freespace area will autoscale font according to scaling settings in Windows. So just make this font smaller in Explorer Panel settings

I have done it before asking here (see attached image area [4]).
Font are larger than before in areas marked [1,2,3].
BTW, the rightmost icon in area [3] after last update was pushed out of view. I had to enlarge MC window to see it again.

I have scaling set to 150% (screen size 15.6'', resolution 1920x1080 if that matters).

JK
Yes some places are changed. Can't stay in the past. The ide is that you should not have to customize any size if you are running at high dpi, everything should scale automatically.
But If you run very low window size it might not work so well. Also MultiMonitor scaling is not yet supported, it will get the scale factor for the monitor it starts on.

The commandline field is a new Combobox that support darktheme, The font is the size it can be where it is places, so it is auto scaling by it self.
DeviceDropdown. is the same combobox as commandlne that support darktheme. Will use
The "Free space" will autoscale (change from before). So if you run a very small windows size with high scaling. You might need to lower the font. set it to 6,   6 at 150% scaled should be around 8pt.
The Path area is not changed at all.. The default font is changed. it scaled already before.



« Last Edit: November 30, 2020, 22:04:38 by Mathias (Author) »

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2020, 09:06:19 »
You might need to lower the font. set it to 6,   6 at 150% scaled should be around 8pt.
The Path area is not changed at all.. The default font is changed. it scaled already before.

Thanx for your reply.

I can't set font size to anything less than 8. It is minimum font size available on my system. See attached file.

It would be nice to have configuration option to turn off autoscaling until all problems with it will be resolved. It's like automatic gearbox - sometimes you need to turn it off.

JK


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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2020, 09:35:24 »
8 is just the recommended minimum in the list. You can enter any value in the edit box above the size

If you could turn it off people just turn them off and do not report the issues and they never get fixed. people in general are really really bad at reporting issues.
else this would have been reported during the beta releases.

Also there can't be a option for everything, There are already too many options. It turns inte option hell.

But the scaling things are going to be tweaked a bit more. However some things that works in 150% scaling looks bad in 225% scaling. so it is not easy to get right.
Specially when I do NOT have a 4k monitor. 

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2020, 20:33:33 »
8 is just the recommended minimum in the list. You can enter any value in the edit box above the size

Oh my... Shame on me. Yes, it works, Thank you. 2 of 3 problems solved.

But I noticed something that apparently is a bug. To reproduce:

- Set Free Area to 10. Click OK, click Apply. Font is large, as expected.

:loop
- Set Free Area to 6. Click OK, click Apply.
- Watch carefully dropdown list font size.
- endloop

See what happens? While setting font size 6 (or 7 or 8) few times, nothing should change, but actually dropdown list font shrinks for each iteration.

This may be the reason why people report microscopic font size sometimes.

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Also there can't be a option for everything, There are already too many options. It turns inte option hell.

I agree. As a user I was sometimes lost when I started using MC and tried to change something. Still I am from time to time.

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But the scaling things are going to be tweaked a bit more. However some things that works in 150% scaling looks bad in 225% scaling. so it is not easy to get right.

That's why I'm asking for possibility to turn off automatic gear box and switch to manual.

JK

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2020, 23:26:36 »
No the dropdrown list in v10 is new. I have not seen it shrink. might be a DPI issue. But there are other font issue that is looses the font and default to system default sometimes after hibernation.


8 is just the recommended minimum in the list. You can enter any value in the edit box above the size

Oh my... Shame on me. Yes, it works, Thank you. 2 of 3 problems solved.

But I noticed something that apparently is a bug. To reproduce:

- Set Free Area to 10. Click OK, click Apply. Font is large, as expected.

:loop
- Set Free Area to 6. Click OK, click Apply.
- Watch carefully dropdown list font size.
- endloop

See what happens? While setting font size 6 (or 7 or 8) few times, nothing should change, but actually dropdown list font shrinks for each iteration.

This may be the reason why people report microscopic font size sometimes.

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Also there can't be a option for everything, There are already too many options. It turns inte option hell.

I agree. As a user I was sometimes lost when I started using MC and tried to change something. Still I am from time to time.

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But the scaling things are going to be tweaked a bit more. However some things that works in 150% scaling looks bad in 225% scaling. so it is not easy to get right.

That's why I'm asking for possibility to turn off automatic gear box and switch to manual.

JK

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2020, 15:01:38 »
The Font Size in the Dropdown-List is to big and need Antialiasing.

If you use 150% Scale, is this just a waste of space (resolution).

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2020, 15:12:11 »
The Font Size in the Dropdown-List is to big and need Antialiasing.

If you use 150% Scale, is this just a waste of space (resolution).
It has AA by default, but something with screenres might have changed so it fallbacked to default system font. try restart MC or reopen tab


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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2020, 02:46:13 »
Odd fonts, indeed. Sometimes the fonts in my tabs change to a tiny size, as well.
Have not seen any case where they are changed.
Nothing is changed around the tabs.

Have somethings changed in Windows when it happens. Have screen res  / DPI changed in Windows will app was running ? or something similar ?

Sorry. I misspoke. It is the "Device Dropdown list" that I am referring to.
The font shrinks in size sometimes when making changes using the "Quick Look N Feel Setup".
 
Probably an issue with Windows 10 itself.  Not really a problem, just thought it was odd.
It goes back to normal after quitting & restarting.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2020, 02:50:39 by MrPapaya »

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2020, 03:31:42 »
Sorry. I misspoke. It is the "Device Dropdown list" that I am referring to.
The font shrinks in size sometimes when making changes using the "Quick Look N Feel Setup".

Exactly.

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It goes back to normal after quitting & restarting.

Same for me.

JK

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2020, 11:38:19 »
Font size in Device dropdown is too large for me on Win7, and persists after restart.

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2020, 13:13:03 »
Font size in Device dropdown is too large for me on Win7, and persists after restart.
And what DPI scaling and screen res are you running.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2020, 13:16:11 by Mathias (Author) »

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2020, 11:35:20 »
100% and 1920x1080.

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2020, 12:11:22 »
100% and 1920x1080.
No DPI scaling. strange. I see no issues in 100%.

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2020, 15:29:19 »
100% and 1920x1080.
No DPI scaling. strange. I see no issues in 100%.

I've just installed latest build (Dec 04, 2020).

After setting all user-configurable fonts to 10 everything looks nice on my system (150% and 1920x1080).

Whatever you changed in last built, fonts are OK now. Thank you, Mathias.

JK


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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2020, 11:56:34 »
In build 2743 the Device dropdown fonts are still too large for me (no DPI scaling).

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2020, 13:14:56 »
In build 2743 the Device dropdown fonts are still too large for me (no DPI scaling).
Yes is is little larger than before.. That is the result of it being auto scaled. it is kind of by design or the result of the new combobox

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2020, 13:24:43 »
OK.  I guess I can live with it.

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Re: Huge fonts since last update
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2020, 23:25:59 »
Closing thread since this thread is a mess. different issues mashed up into one.

If you have scaling issue create new post